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in it that's pretty -- it's sort of outlined but not detailed in legislation and has a big, big dollar figure around it. so, sort of the big plan. passing that along with a debt ceiling as sort of a big theory option instead of this mcconnell/reid plan, but it's so vague, as you can tell, and nothing that i have as any sort of firm plan, just, like, something that's sort of out there in the ether, they just don't have a plan at this point, no one does, john. >> it sounds like, and some people at home are saying, my god, there they go into washington speak again. i'll try to simply phi it. they are trying to fit certain pieces together to get you to several trillion in deficit reduction and that seems to be where we are, a bunch ideas. i'll go over to the wall a little bit, because jess talks about the mcconnell plan, that would give the president the authority to raise the debt ceiling and maybe they would come up with a commission with spending cuts. that's one backup plan. another backup plan is the gang of six. and i want to bring up the gang of six yesterday we talked about that. they hav
people. we are not showing this to you for the sake of it. who do you know who making a big difference in your community? you can nominate these heroes and they end up winning. >> making a huge difference in their communities. a good thing to see. we want to wish everybody a wonderful fourth of july weekend. hope you're safe, healthy, happy and you have a little bit of fun. >> you're off? >> i'm off watching the fireworks. >> christine and i will be here on monday. have a fantastic weekend. kyra phillips takes it over now with the "cnn newsroom." >> how about a lot of fun? come on! >> some people have to work so i felt bad! >> happy fourth of july, guys. we all will be celebrating. it's 9:00 a.m. on the east coast and 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. thank you for joining us. >>> witnesses taking the stand in the casey anthony murder trial. the judge says the case could go to the jury this weekend. >>> los alamos national lab closed fifth day as high winds make problems for fire crews. 94,000 acres have burned. lab officials say toxic materials are saving. >>> royal couple wakes
proceeding all through making headlines for wrong reasons but making big headlines nonetheless. >> we are following awe tlel' more on the nfl next week. mark, thanks. >>> the numbers are out. not the poll numbers and not the dow industrial. we are talking about the big number of bucks your presidential candidates are raising to win the white house. jim acosta, who has got the biggest bank? >> reporter: sometimes he's are the numbers that count, kyra, this morning. it looks like at this point, the person who has got the biggest bank right now is mitt romney. we haven't gotten any official totals in right now. yesterday his campaign did confirm that he is expected to bring in between $15 million and $20 million in the first quarter of fund-raising this year. not as much as he raised for the 2008 campaign but, still, way ahead of the rest of the pack. jon huntsman, we can mention, he also has a pretty big fund-raising hall for a guy that not a lot of people know about. $4 million. we should mention half of that, though, is money he kicked in himself. he is part of a very wealthy family t
leaders are digging in on the big sticking point of taxes ahead of tomorrow's white house summit. chuck todd is nbc's chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." chuck, we've heard a lot from republicans. today at the bloomberg breakfast it was said that any tax measures had to be revenue positive over the long run that could be ten years out. eventually have to contribute toward deficit reduction. that is not what republican senator john cornyn was saying exactly the opposite what he said on our show yesterday that it has to be revenue neutral. how does the president hope to bridge this devoid? >> reporter: well, you know, they have an interesting tactic here. they believe and frankly behind the scenes so do house republicans believe it will be easier to sell a larger deal that has some things in it that nobody's crazy about on certain sides. whether some trims to entitlements on the democratic side or some of these revenue proposals on the republican side that if it's a large deal, $2.5 trillion to $4 trillion and maybe even $6 trillion in the out years meaning th
to ask the big oil companies to give up one dime not one dime of their $4 billion annual subsidy. they have refused to ask big corporations to give up one dime in their corporate loopholes. what we are negotiating with is a group of people who won't compromise. a group of people who have said we want the middle class to pay more taxes so that big corporations can pay less. we want seniors to lose their medicare so that big oil companies can continue to foost on their subdis. that's what the problem is. >> the case that republicans have taken a hard line on talks, at the same time democrats are taking what sounds like a hard line on entitlements. let me read a statement from leader pelosi that says we continue to oppose benefit cuts in social security and medicare. these pillars should not be used a as piggy bank to subsidize tax cuts for the wealthy. are democrats not just as guilty of failing to compromise as republicans are in this case? >> no, absolutely not. what we have said and i think most americans would agree with this is the middle class and seniors should not be asked
the impact. but i'm wondering, two of the candidates will be coming out after this big debate here in washington. does that give an advantage or a disadvantage or is it unclear based on the outcome? >> well, it's unclear based on the outcome certainly. the congresswoman and the congressman have both been very strong in their opposition. >> no compromise. right? >> that will appeal to many people in the base of the party. and i think what you've heard from some of the other candidates is somewhat more equivocal position. though john huntsman this week came out strongly for the boehner plan and said it was the only plan going and that the republicans and everybody ought to get behind it. congresswoman bachmann in particular, i think, has staked out that kind of tea party position. and she'll probably benefit from that. i think the other candidates are trying to get a piece of that, but try to go more broadly. >> i think bachmann and to a certain extent paul also risk some pleasure of backlash, or could in their don't raise the ceiling at all and their positions, playing down is a pot
casey anthony, big day. she's getting out of jail on sunday. will you be doing some commentary this weekend? or are you taking this weekend off? >> i may very well, but certainly i'll be talking about it on monday morning. >> have a good weekend, whatever you might end up doing. good to see you as always. thank you so much for being here with me in the cnn news room. i of course will be with you tomorrow and sunday. >>> the president said he's willing to think small if he has to in order to break the stalemate over raising the debt limit. also new apologies from media mogul rupert murdoch. he met with the family of a murdered teenager whose phone was hacked by his now defunct tabloid. there are fast-moving developments in this scandal. it's ungulfing his entire news empire. and as casey anthony prepares to get out of jail on sunday, will she shun the media spotlight or will she try to capitalize on her supposed fame? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> president obama back at the bully pulpit for the second time this week to make sure ameripay bill. he went bef
we are expecting what i think are unreasonable expectations. i'm a big believer in the jury system. i dedicated my professional career to it and i think it is the best system there is. >> bill: there is no other system. >> with that people have to go back and say what is realistic. prove beyond a reasonable doubt is not to a mat mathematical certainty. it is to a reasonable doubt. look at what is reasonable here. look at that cause of death. is there any reasonable doubt that this girl was murdered? >> bill: no. >> whether it was a premeditated murder or her mother was trying to quiet her. >> bill: if the little girl drown as i think one of anthony's attorneys said happened, you don't put duct tape over a drowned girl's mouth so that is out the window. you are not responsible for the the defense lawyers, you are not. these people introduce all kinds of crazy stuff they couldn't back up like i said in the talking points memo. weren't you offended as an american who wants justice for caylee anthony? weren't you offended by that? i was offended by that. >> a lot of the things that jose b
's big three credit rating agencies, warned it might have to lower the country's top notch credit rating if lawmakers don't come it an agreement soon on raising the debt ceiling. this a starnlgts moodeddy's said its action was prompted by the possibility that the debt limit will not be raised in time to prevent a missed payment on u.s. bonds with a small but rising risk of a short-lived default. economists say if the aaa rating is lowered, it would throw the financial markets in to chaos and the cost of were rowing would go up for everything from mortgages to car loans. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke warned -- >> i think the worst outcome is that at some point, you know, we default on the debt and that would creates a i said before a huge financial calamity. >> reporter: sources say the president knew about the moody's warning as he headeded in to wednesday's meet which go all sides have described as very tense. republican majority leader eric cantor quoted the president as saying, i have reached the point where i say enough. would ronald reagan be sitting here? i've reached my li
the band-aid. eat our peas. >> reporter: of course, taxes remains the big sticking point. the president, though, insisting that nothing would change before 2013 so it would not happen during a difficult economic environment, but house speaker john boehner saying that there's no reason to raise taxes in order to control spending. he believes the best way to get revenue is by improving the overall economy by creating jobs. he says he is willing to get a deal done with democrats and the white house, but, in his words, it takes two to tango and they are not there yet. >> dan lothian at the white house, thanks. >>> the debt crisis overseas sending a chill through wall street this morning. less than half hour before the opening bell, u.s. stocks may be headed for another rough day. ali velshi is joining us live from new york. ali, what does it mean? >> well, you know, first of all, futures seem to be leveling out a little bit, kyra. a couple of things going on here. one as dan was just saying, we just heard from the treasury secretary who is making a speech and he says he is expecting a deal
have a big jump in revenue. obama has been saying let's thai the bush tax cuts are going to lapse and we are going to extend the ones for the middle class. republicans are afraid to let him do that up front. it would kill momentum for a tax reform. >> but, but, but why just get rid of the bush tax cuts. if they are so awful, why not get rid of all of them. get rid of all of them for everybody. if tax cuts are the worst thing ever, the bush tax cuts, get rid of the bush tax cuts for everybody and raise billions in revenue. >> right. i think we could probably figure it out sitting around the table. i don't think it's that difficult. they are locked in in political terms. it's a much different issue to them. you can make rational compromises and deals here. the problem is, how do they do it. what's happening is they are at the point where they realize the consequences. at some point, they realize they have to do something other than hold the ground saying this is it. we're not going to change anything. we are at that point and we have little time to work with. >> howard dean, look wh
. the big mistaking that had people thinking they had gotten the bargain of the year. >>> but first, here are your options. resign or be fired. that is the ultimatum that was just given to nearly 200 educators tied to one of the largest school cheating scandals in u.s. history. it was just over a week ago, a state investigation revealed 178 teachers, including 38 principals, woulding at 44 schools cheated for students on standardized tests in atlanta. on monday, interim superintendent erroll davis replaced four superintendents and one principal in the atlanta public school scandal. now a letter has been sent to the 178 teachers, principals and administrators who were on the state investigative report as either confessing to or being implicated in the cheating. davis has ordered that educators resign by next wednesday or they will face termination. he says the culture inside the school district has to change. >> people failed children, they cheated. and we can't allow that to happen and we can't allow anyone who was involved with that to remain in our system. >> now, staff replacement may
planned recess next week for the 4th of july. >> mitch mcconnell making a big deal of inviting the president for a chat with no notice with the knowledge he already had plans. >> the president said he wasn't going to change his plaque plans to meet with mitch mcconnell. >> he also invited the president to hear what would not pass. >> is it logic? the republicans are not big on logic. >> if they don't this time, the full faith and credit of the u.s. will be in peril. >> if we don't do that -- wait, what happens again? >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> democrats are saying yes to michele bachmann. >> i'm not surprised by how well michele bachmann has done. she comes across as a real person. >> real human moments. very compelling to voters. >> obama's got some magic. >> with the wink and a hug, she's made the majority of the gop field disappear. >> king james called napoleon and together decided to kill america. they sent the nina, pina, and santa maria to fight. >>> and yes to stephen colbert. >> i'm sorry to say, ladies and gentlemen, we won! [ applause ] >> it's s
, carmageddon is what they're calling it. now, it might not sound like a big deal to you that a freeway is shut down, but this is not just any freeway. we will take you there for what is sure to be an interesting weekend in l.a. >>> also, an ipad 2 for $69. sears was offering that deal yesterday. today, they're offering an apology. the big mistake that had people thinking they had gotten the bargain of the year. >>> but let's now turn to the 405 freeway. the infamous 405 in los angeles. it is shut down this weekend. and you might be thinking, if you're not familiar with the area, big deal, freeway's shut down for construction. but think, folks, what if you are in new york and they shut down the brooklyn queens expressway? what if you're in chicago and they shut down the dan ryan? what if you're in atlanta, they shut down 75/85. you're in the bay area and they shut down highway 80 over the bay bridge? that's what we're talking about. this is how important 405 is. 500,000 drivers go on to the 405 every single weekend, but this weekend,s is not an option. the construction work is supposed to be do
are loop hoeholing loopholings. >> shouldn't they hold firm, democrats, on this. >> this is a big step forward for john cornyn, one of the big leaders in the -- a leader in the republican senate campaign committee to suggest they're open to the idea if not in the intermediate term closing loopholes is an important first step. it suggests that you can win some of your concessions you want here. if you're going to take drastic steps to reform medicare and medicaid and social security, which i agree we should, you should also hold firm to say that some are going to have their taxes changed. if the middle class and the people below the middle class are going to make sacrifices, and all americans should. people on the upper oechend sho as well. hopefully they'll agree to a corporate tax cut and hopefully doing something incentivize businesses hiring going forward. >> we got some great segment ms ahead. and must reads. the tax issue hurts it economy to deal with this a little bit and get what the democrats want on this. i don't think it does. >> i want patrick to explain this. he never quite
their arguments outside rather than keeping them inside the room. the president wanted the big deal, john boehner it seemed wanted the big deal, and it's very clear that that is not likely to happen. so at this point the president had his press conference yesterday. he said, you know, i'm the grownup in the room here. we each need to give a little on something. he said, by the way, if we don't agree, guess who will sufficiensufficiener? the american people. >> you mentioned spooking the american people. i saw a poll today and i'm sure the white house saw it as well. in it it showed americans are more worried about raising the debt limit than they are about the government defaulting. could the statement by the president be, i don't know, a calculated effort to warn the country, talking about millions who don't get the checks about the severity of this government default? >> absolutely. i think the president is now starting to say, okay, and we're getting a little into the blame game now. okay, if the government defaults, you're not going to get your social security checks and your veterans benefit
probing with the white house the possibility of a big deal that would be nearly $4 trillion in deficit reduction and include $800 billion in added tax revenues over the next ten years. if he goes this route, i am told he will face a revolt from his republicans on the house including his fellow leaders including kevin mccarthy, i'm told he is still considering it even though it's risky. >> treasury secretary tim geithner joins me now. he would have to manage the chaos if the united states defaults for the first time in history. secretary geithner, thank you for being here. well, you just heard what jonathan said about what'ss on the table. is it possible that there will be a framework deal in place by 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. >> i hope so. again, both leaders recognize they're running out of time. they need to get this process moving in the house by monday night to achieve that deadline. they need to have a framework that they know with complete confidence will pass both houses of congress and is acceptable to the president and that should happen today. >> you think it can happen befor
that she could catch fire. look, when you start this thing, when you win iowa, if you win iowa big, that thing starts rolling through new hampshire and south carolina, it's over in weeks. i agree 100%. >> how was she going in philadelphia suburbs? how is she going to do in the i-4 corridor and in wisconsin? how is she going to do in new mexico, arizona? i would suggest, with swing voters not well at all. >> there's no doubt if you nominate michele bachmann, it's an enormous risk. the only conditions, i think, under which i believe she could win the presidency, if people say, if they did in 1980, i don't care, i'm taking a chance with this guy because what we got we can't stand, you get 9% or 10% unemployment, two more years, this country is ready for a lot of change. more "morning joe" in a moment. with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.  finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not cause
. how exciting. >> they match. >> they do match. >> the big news of the day, yesterday, of course, was moody's coming out and saying, listen, we don't expect this to happ happen. the chances are slight this is going to happen. just the chance it may happen, we are going to downgrade america's credit rating. >> we are going to put it on credit watch to downgrade it or we will downgrade it if it happens. first of all, the rating agencies were behind the curve during the whole financial crisis and they took a lot of heat for that. now they are trying to be more proactive. when you have a congress that refuses to address the issue, what do they do? it's not a shocker. it's another symbol of how dysfunctional things are in washington and what the stakes are and how dangerous it is. you know a few people across the globe. >> i like it when mika says it better. >> say international financeer. >> i would think these are trying times for banks across the world. look at ireland a second time. it's spread to italy. we have all heard -- greece, portugal. it's all across europe. it's coming to
. host: mississippi, janet is next. caller: i feel as long as our politicians are bought by big corporations, we cannot trust the word that they say. they will do what the corporations want. the supreme court gave corporations the right to be individuals. they do not have rights like individuals. they are individuals themselves but they should not make the decisions as far as who represents the people. a lot of people would call me ignorant, but i know how to balance my checkbook and if these people cannot balance their checkbook, they need to go home and learn how to. host: fixed the political experts from the book -- brookings institution says -- that they hash it out in private first. your thoughts? caller: my thought is that if people cannot get together and talk it out, compromise, what is the use of having separate get together is? tempore i know that i sound ignorant, but people need to sit down in a circle and come to a conclusion. host: another twitter message from boring file clerk, writing -- host: chattanooga, tennessee. gerry, go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span.
is your chance to talk back on one of the big stories of the day. today's question is what would you tell congress to do about the debt limit? carol costello is joining us from washington. carol, i bet you're going to get a lot of folks weighing in on this one. >> i urge all of our facebook friends to keep it clean. that's my only request today. what is happening in washington is political gamesmanship at its worse. it's ugly and more than a little scary. the united states has never gone into default because past administrations and lawmakers have compromised. cnn contributor john avalon says lawmakers have raised the debt ceiling 77 times including 8 tooils times under ronald reagan and back in the day politicians weren't quite so macho. many insist on standing on principal even though most americans stand on the side of good old fashioned compromise. two-thirds of americans want the president and republicans to compromise, rather than stand up for their beliefs to get things done. wow. a break from part is anship. perhaps the happiest outcome of the president's speech last night was whe
when negotiations with the taliban move forward and it also may have very big repercussions for the u.s. effort in the south. people called president hamid karzai's brother a corrupt gangster. but the cia's former head of counterterrorism says the u.s. may miss him. >> it's quite like live that what follows is going to be something that will not work to our interest. >> reporter: an afghan official says he was gunned down in his own home, shot in the head and chest by his own guard. the taliban took credit, but it's not clear if the shooter was really working for them. >> the united states condemns in the strongest possible terms the murder of president karzai's half brother in kandahar. >> a u.s. official said quote, while we must deal with ahm ahmed wali karzai, he's widely understood to be corrupt and narcotics trafficker. the state department and u.s. military were trying to build trust in the afghan government. they frequently criticized ahmed wali, but the cia worked with him. >> i think often parts of the u.s. government were working at cross purposes where ahmed wali was conce
. >> whether you get the big or not, you know this won't pass the senate. >> i don't know if it will or won't. >> do you believe we should raise the ceiling? yes or no. >> if the senate is responsibility, then cut, cap and balance will pass. >> let me ask you a question -- do you agree with the president that we need to raise the ceiling, president obama? >> i will vote to raise the debt ceiling if we address the long-term issue of federal insolvency caused by -- if we do not address the long-term issue, the risk associated with piling on higher and higher debt loads, if we don't address that, then, no, sir, i will not vote for the debt ceiling. >> ronald railinger, who was someone i'm sure you admire, let me show you what he said about the dead ceiling, maybe you should tell your colleagues this. >> i'm familiar with this quote. >> congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. this brinksmanship threatens the holders of government bonds, those who rely on associate security and vet ran benefits. the united states has a special responsi
. if you are going to rule out medicare now and say yeah, we are going to make big cuts but rule out medicare. that means democrats are focusing on 10%, discretionary spending that is our investments, r & d, education, infrastructure. the things we need to double and triple down on. the things we can afford to do in trying to catch up with china if we take care of the long-term structural debt on taxes, on health care and these other issues. >> yeah, we talked about the fact our health care system is at least 50% more expensive procedure by procedure than any other place in the world. we have this grip on a lot of the health care sector. we need health care reform. this is obvious. but it's been obvious for years. they don't do it on either side. >> coming up, connecticut governor dannel mall low. >> he's going to yell at you. >> i think he's in for a fight, yeah. yeah. >> mika is mad. she's not putting up with it anymore. >> this is incredible. sexual assault allegations against strauss-kahn. why it's on the verge of collapse. >> he was in yonkers at the time. come on. >>> first, he
commitment to big government. what they would like to see is the government sweated down. that's the point they've been trying to make. and there are honest differences and people have a very different view of what kind of society we ought to live in. >> but at a certain point, david, when there was a big deal on the table, and if as you say the president could have brought nancy pelosi along, and i agree with you i think he could have, the republicans would have gotten a great deficit reduction deal if they hadn't committed to the no tax pledge, right? >> but gloria, asking any party to commit to a $1 trillion of tax increases is an awful big lift for a party that is all along stood for lower taxes. and when they also feel a lot of these cuts are going to turn out to be illusory. their experience in the past they sign onto the bargains and they feel the democrats eventually wind up getting what they wanted and what they were promised never materializes. >> but there's a big difference between that and nothing. you know? a big difference. [ overlapping speakers ] >> where do you see the mi
. is that realistic at this point. >> well, in terms of getting that big agreement, it looks highly unlikely at this point, but certainly as you pointed out, the president joking that his campaign was built on hope and change. it will be interesting to see if that hope will also win out in this debate. but, look, what the president is pushing for still is the biggest deal possible. he acknowledged, though, that it's hard to do that, but nonetheless, he has been telling congressional lawmakers during negotiations all this week that if they can't get the biggest deal possible to attack the problem of the debt and the deficit over the long term, then they should still be ambitious. >> we are obviously running out of time, and so what i have said to the members of congress is that, you need over the next 24 to 36 hours to give me some sense of what your plan is to get the debt ceiling raised through whatever mechanisms they can think about and show me a plan in terms of what you're doing for deficit and debt reduction. if they show me a serious plan, i am ready to move. even if it requires some
? >> the problem with a myny deal, we have a maxi problem. the big problems aren't going to go away if you cut a mini deal. all it does is delay the moment of truth. apt so i'd say better now than then. if we can't, then we'll take the savings we can get now and we will relitigate this as we get closer to the election. >> all right. in addition to dealing with the content of negotiating this deal, there is a p.r. battle involved here as well. senate majority leader harry reid has had a lot to say about what is standing in the way of getting something done. let's take a listen. >> the obstacle, and i want to be very clear, to finding common ground is republicans stubborn insistence on proit canning tax funding and give-aways to corporations and individualindividuals that don'd the give-aways. >> the president has also framed this choice. earlier in week as kids going to college, or tax breaks for corporate jets. i mean it's something they said with the miles per hour public is an easy choice -- said that american public, an easy choice for them. what is the plan for that bat? >> senator reid ha
minute and the house votes today on speaker boehner's debt plan. the big question, whether or not boehner can sway enough republicans to push that bill through. when he arrived this morning, he seemed like he was ready for anything. >> zipadoda day. >>> we're watching wall street after the dow fell almost 200 points yesterday. stocks have been up and down today. investors saw first time claims for unemployment drop below 400,000, but they're still anxious over the debt standoff. right now the dow jones is up 29 points. ground zero workers are furious over a decision by the government not to cover cancer treatment for responders who got sick after 9/11. last night at a town hall in new york, from us at a tiustrated cs sounded off about what happened to them after the dust settled. >> i want to show you something. sometimes i have to eat through this tube because the muscles in my neck don't work to swallow. i breathe and talk through this tube. and i'm the lucky one. >> a public appearance today by the hotel maid who accuses dominique strauss-kahn of sexual assault. ded dialnafissatou dial
with the pie. [unintelligible] host: do you think that this is a big deal at all? in aer: in a way, yes, and a way, no. he is a nice man, but he is too old. it takes a man that this young to do something like that host: do you think you could run all of those companies? caller: me? i am a painter. host: i know. i have your painting in my office. caller: my wife is looking at me and telling me to tell you good morning. host: good morning. send me your e-mail address and i will send you a picture of it in profit -- in my office. caller: listen, my wife's birthday is tomorrow, she turned 81. host: that is right. you married an older woman. mr. peterson, you enjoy that heat wave in texas. we have got to get moving. we appreciate it. this would message, regarding the phone hacking scandal -- host: mike is a republican in arizona. hello. caller: i can see this going on in great britain, i guess the police are involved. but then they are doing it for us in the same manner. scanning e-mails, looking for certain words and what ever. i do not see any difference. i mean, they are exchanging inform
's talk about some of the big issues right now. jobs, jobs, jobs. it's a crisis, a game of chicken going on in washington right now between the president, the did democrats on one side, republican leadership on the other side. how big of a deal is this august 2nd deadline for raising the debt ceiling? >> well, because i haven't been in government in a long time, i don't know what options the treasury department will have if the debt kreceiling is not lift. my guess is they can pay the bills for a while, after which they won't be able to. so if we let that deadline come and go and we really raise questions about when or political system is mature enough even to pay its bills, i think it's trouble. i realize the idea of voting against raising the debt ceiling has always had great appeal to people. even in good times, a bunch of people vote against raising it because it looks like a free vote. >> when he was senator, president obama didn't vote to raise the debt ceiling. he regrets it now. >> but, you know, when you're not president and you think the vote's there, seems like a freebie and y
that it isn't that big of a deal have made themselves look pri instrahan gent. if we do go to doomsday on this, the hope is people that get blamed will be the republicans. >> that's option 2. that's default. i've given you two options. >> it's not default if we don't stop sending out the checks. if we keep sending out the checks, it's not default. we didn't default in '95. we just got near to it. >> does the president then say, okay, i'll agree to the republican plan? what's the third option besides default and defeat? how does he force his point of view, which is a reasonable balance, two or three to one, spending cuts to revenue hikes. >> i have no idea. i should say they're talking four or five to one. >> how do we get to there then? >> he can't. on his own we simply cannot. we live in a country, the constitution, the constitution has ultimate power. a lot of people think he could ignore them by asserting constitutional authority, but that is really dependent on the supreme court. >> am i right that it depends on one man, john boehner, speaker of the house, will have to deliver the votes he
guns on something he's done his entire presidency, which is when there's a big bill that needs to get through congress, whether health care, whether the stimulus or whether this, he lets congress handle the details. he doesn't present his own legislation. he doesn't say here's my plan. let's amend from this. it's instead, trying to let's grab a piece here, let's grab a piece there. let congress do all the talking. we'll see. it is one of those debates that takes place among folks that observe this president from the outside wondering why does he keep doing it this way. who will win the battle long term? john boehner and harry reid teed up that fight yesterday. >> two groups of people from two different planets who barely understand the language of the other one. they're two remarkably different visions for what the appropriate role of the government should be in our society. how our country operates. it's stark and it would shock most americans. >> any time around here with the new tea party philosophy, they seem to think they have an all-knowing wisdom about the constitution. in shor
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